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Why Ecchi hates flat chests
« on: December 23, 2017, 04:45:59 AM »
*this isn't an essay, just a quick rant.
We have all seen the abundance of "plot" in anime and manga.
For example, Lucoa From Kabayashi Dragon Maid.


Meiko Shiraki from Prison School

Tsunade from Naruto


I know what you are thinking, "why show big breasts characters in a flat chest discussion?" Calm your tits fellas. I am making a point.

We see a trend that usually captures the ideal woman figure. Each represented in association with power, beauty, wisdom, autonomy. So my point is big chested (BC) women hold a status in anime.

Duh, mother FFFFFFFER, we already know that!

So let's move on to what flat chested women are not. Lets start off with saying, flat chested (FC) women are not boys! okay, let's move on.

I will make the argument that main character (MC) FC females represent the underdeveloped girl archetype which blossom through relatable dynamic characterizations.

Here are a few examples of flat chested MCs.

Sakura from Naruto


Maka from Soul Eater

Kobayashi From Kobayashi Dragon Maid

You get the point.

By creating FC characters, the author has a blank slab to use to create a new character that is interesting, identifiable, and most importantly, relatable. Not unlike the male hero who is not powerful, intelligent, and/or mature. This in itself also contradicts the default attitude towards BC characters, since the FC will never truly develop into the ideal BC physically, but in every other way, they match them. Which brings the FC and the BC to equal status, disregarding and pointing out the superficiality of physical beauty.

However, this is the ideal interpretation for FCs. Some might even say, childish interpretation.

Here is the social-environmental interpretation.
Why does animosity exist between BC and FC? Well, you can blame women for that. A women has to compete for male attention (girls as well), they have to stand out and match the society's standard for beauty. This reinforces the real hatred these groups have with each other, which will explain the presence in media such as in anime and manga. Darwinism is playing its part and literature is keeping a record of this evolutionary battle.

Now the disdain for the mundane interpretation.
Another aspect is that anime and manga is meant to capture the fantastical. Like hollywood movies of today, males and now even females are depicted at their very best. Almost, impossibly so. That is why we see interesting phenotypes and magical or superhuman abilities. The stereotype is that asian women are flat chested, flat assed, (i'm not hating) compared to other groups. So, they will create another version of themselves that represents something new, something interesting, and something valuable.


You are probably asking yourself, you haven't answered the question within the title. Well, the answer is that ecchi as of right now, is not meant for character growth, unless its in the guys pants!

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Re: Why Ecchi hates flat chests
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2017, 11:36:22 AM »
You make some pretty good points, although I can't confirm anything regarding your theory that the animosity exists solely because they're all competing for male attention. That's certainly the case in most ecchi series, but as for a real life comparison (as art reflects life), I wonder if that still holds up? I dunno when it comes to straight women. They confuse me.
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Re: Why Ecchi hates flat chests
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2017, 06:51:27 PM »
Gotta agree with Mahlua here. I can't say I've ever heard of this sort of animosity coming up in real life. I'm not a woman myself, but I've got plenty of female friends more than comfortable talking about such things around me (sometimes to my chagrin). I've heard plenty of reasons for tension between them and other women, but it's never been a case of "I'm losing because she has bigger tits"

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Re: Why Ecchi hates flat chests
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2017, 09:02:39 PM »
In my “university” there was a women’s play (before the #feminism life became a thing) that addressed the privilege BC women had and that there needed to be A cup pride. That’s where I’m getting this.

Here is a simple test to see if the privilege thing is real. Tell a C cup, what size B cup are you. She will get offended. I do this all the time to goof on chicks. I noticed this when I did it to my ex GF. She got pissed. It’s like if you are talking about dick size. She attacked me and accused me of being use to seeing D cups in porn.

*disclaimer- I’ve been watching a lot of colorism YouTube channels and I might be comparing too much with breasts on how women treat each other. But if women and men favor one aspect such as lighter skin as they do, it wouldn’t be too far to think they do the same with breast size.
Again this is a privilege that is not talked about openly but when a BC loses it, she will complain. But again, this only makes sense if you believe there is competition among women. Which there kinda is since m, since most of the time, there are more girls than guys in the environment.

To add something else. I think since other cultural cues have been added to society, another beauty standard has been added. That ladies and gents is the butt. I’ve watched enough black YouTube politics channels to know that hair, skin color, and ass are major tools for competition. This also explains the rise of anime girls with bigger butts than in the past.
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Re: Why Ecchi hates flat chests
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2017, 09:21:32 PM »
I mean, I agree that the standard of beauty, at least in the US, is built around that and BC women probably do have a privilege in that regard. That all tends to come down to microclimates as well.

Thing is though that I've never actually seen two chicks get in a fight over boobs that was actually serious. My friends and I in high school actually got into a bit of trouble with the office because we were perfectly comfortable groping one another as a greeting--apparently onlookers couldn't handle the idea of women comfortable enough with their sexuality to have a mixed group of straights and gays hanging out and groping one another or something, idk. I also have a friend who is fully grown, in her twenties, straight as an arrow, and still a AA cup, which, as you might've guessed, is in fact smaller than an A cup. She's never had a problem with our C and D friends--at least, not over breasts. Over stealing food off of plates at lunch, however...that's another story.
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Re: Why Ecchi hates flat chests
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2017, 09:26:48 PM »
Can't let anyone **** with your food. There were some lean times in college where fights would break out for less.

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Re: Why Ecchi hates flat chests
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2017, 10:02:37 PM »
Well I think one reason is in Japan men kinda had a thing for bigger beasts size I don't know if it's still same there but this was used well in Hentai and Ecchi Manga/Anime by creators to grab more fans for their stuff. It has worked so well for them so it become a standard most of main female characters having Big Bs. you can see cute flat chested main female chars but usually they let you see how they secretly wishing to have bigger and envying others. Good example is Sakura and Hinata in Naruto. It's not even considered an Ecchi Manga.

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Re: Why Ecchi hates flat chests
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2017, 10:06:59 PM »
@Kakashi.  Now that brings up the question that is it guys who perpetuate and exasperate the breast issue by saying it is a problem.

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Re: Why Ecchi hates flat chests
« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2017, 12:48:45 AM »
I don't think it's a problem. It's just the generations taste. Like back in 60's Hippie culture was a big deal. Then it dried out by 80s. then came plastic surgeries and big breasts by late 80s. Now hype for bigger breasts is decreasing. Small things and bra less top becoming a fashion.

Even from prehistoric times bigger breast taken as sign of prosperity and luck. If you look at all those ancient Goddess statues from all around the work you won't find many flat chested goddesses.

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Re: Why Ecchi hates flat chests
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2017, 04:49:40 PM »
I'm not sure there's really a problem with it. Ecchi does bring up a good point that typically larger breasts are seen as more valued, and even can stand in metaphorically for a sign of maturity. It's almost like hair color when you think about it. Artists will choose a design based on what fits what they want to pull for the character. It also makes sense to exaggerate small issues and depict funny little catfights about them, even though I've never personally seen one happen over breast size in real life. It could be that the cultural perception is slightly different in Japan as well.
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Re: Why Ecchi hates flat chests
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2017, 09:59:32 PM »
I doubt 2 females would fight over breast but I have seen they get jealous or envy over more perfect and bigger racks.  haha. I guess its a natural reaction. It's all about proportion. Breasts are just part of it. Do you guys remember any Ecchi Anime moments where flat chested girl get all jealous of a big B girl ?

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Re: Why Ecchi hates flat chests
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2017, 10:12:50 PM »
Oh yeah. I can think of plenty. For some reason a yuri anime bath scene is coming to mind and I watched so many of those so long ago that I'm forgetting which one of them it was...

But irl I've never really seen the jealousy side of things either. A lot of my friends actually would say things like "I feel bad for them--I bet their back hurts!" or "Man, what a pain. Can they even run long distances?". Then again, I'm open to the fact that my friends are probably the exception, not the rule.
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Re: Why Ecchi hates flat chests
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2017, 10:19:18 PM »


Imagine if this behavior was as common as A cup hate in anime.

Maybe the words “fighting” and “hate” are a little strong. But I do think resentment does exist between females.

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Re: Why Ecchi hates flat chests
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2017, 10:22:28 PM »
I wouldn't be too sure of that. Maybe it's because I hang out with the gay kids all the time, but I just don't see it happening irl. I have no model to relate to the concept of "resentment" just existing. There's usually some kind of personal reason, even if it's as petty as "you dated that ex I dated two years ago". After that there can be appearance based insults, but they're not the source of the problem, y'know?

And trust me on that--if there's anyone who can find a petty bit of information to be mad over, it's probably a straight girl.
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Re: Why Ecchi hates flat chests
« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2017, 10:31:51 PM »
Plus something we usually see is if someone jealous about someone else they are not going to give any compliments. Usually it's like finding things why it's bad or sux. I have seen it so often in parties. Girls gang up and whispers about main attraction. I have often overheard they find something bad to talk about one they jealous of. I used to ask about this and my exes wouldn't admit it at all. haha