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Offline Forlorn Serpent

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Why have rapey characters?
« on: January 15, 2017, 01:21:54 AM »
I recently watched Keijo. There is a character that molests other girls. She is also a girl. I see the same in monster musume (suu, and she did rape them) but for comic relief.

Not to play the sex card, but just imagine if it was a guy doing that!

Yay or nay for this character archetype in one of my stories?
« Last Edit: January 15, 2017, 07:05:31 PM by Forlorn Serpent »

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Re: Why have rapey characters?
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2017, 08:39:59 PM »
See, I personally don't just let it fly just because it's a woman, but that might just be my view. I honestly believe that characters like that take away a lot of respect for a show unless they take the consequences seriously, which most sadly do not. Simoun comes to mind for at least trying to address how it creates tension in a group dynamic, although the anime is notorious for shifting viewpoints often.
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Re: Why have rapey characters?
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2017, 10:26:07 PM »
I mean, it depends on the context. Like in kill la kill, this bitch:

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****in' Ragyo, straight up molests her own daughter in a pool. And it serves a very good purpose of making us hate her like crazy. It's an incredibly important turning point in the plot of the show.

So like, as long as it serves a purpose? You can't just throw it in for comic relief without it becoming weird. But then again, a lot of times when a rapey character shows up it's just for shock value, which is the same path jump scares and gore porn tread. Just sound and fury. Give me something that signifies something.

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Re: Why have rapey characters?
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2017, 10:33:58 AM »
this is an example of a comedy rape scene. Skip to the 1:00 mark. It's over at 6:00.
It's not graphic, i promise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R3_Hs7EZ1Y&t=37s
« Last Edit: February 21, 2017, 10:37:08 AM by Forlorn Serpent »

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Re: Why have rapey characters?
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2017, 12:14:00 AM »
That video is removed by Youtube.

I think Japanese have a crazy interest in these Blankmail, rape and forced sex stuff. If you look at Hentai I think at least 50% of these related to one of these 3 things.

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Re: Why have rapey characters?
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2017, 12:59:03 AM »
Here's a good place to mention Shimoneta, now that I've watched it. Spoilers ahead.

Yes, I'm going to address the atrocity that is Anna Nishikinomiya. The entire show is a parody and a satire, of course, so we're meant to take things with a grain of salt. Yes, her scenes of rapeyness are played up as partially comedic, but I, for one, actually saw a statement behind it. If you don't teach kids the difference between a romantic connection and physical attraction, people like her will happen. Her scenes succeeded in making me extremely uncomfortable, and I almost quit watching the show in all honesty. It really gets the point across of how dangerous ignorance is. She also can show why you can't just pretend that girls are innocent. She more or less proves that with how the main character loved her for something she, after that particular incident, simply wasn't anymore. I felt that it was the point to be made uncomfortable, and to witness a double standard taking place as her bodyguard would turn a blind eye to her behavior. In that sense, I appreciated her as a character. Still f8ckin hate her, though.

All that said, here, have a meme.
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Re: Why have rapey characters?
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2017, 08:37:12 PM »
Well, I guess it's time for my opinion.

I like it because it's funny and kind of hot. I know the flip side is horrible, but if the other person gets violated and doesn't care, then I'm good. If I saw a full on rape/molest scene and it ended like a rape scene, I'm out.

Now, does this send the wrong message to society? Well, we know it's wrong. The show doesn't need to teach us that. Yes it is probably done for shock value, cheap laughs, but we already know it's technically wrong. Watching a show that is meant for older audiences isn't going to change my idea of rape or molestation. It's funny because it is not suppose to happen.

Edit: to be clear, I think it's hot if it's done in a comedy. I doubt a comedic rape/molestation is ever done in a nome comedy genre that would have the same effect for me. No blackmail!
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Re: Why have rapey characters?
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2017, 12:44:18 PM »
I agree with forlorn.

But Most shows that feature rape like to make it worse by completely destroying the life of the girls. 
We all know it some fat basterd maneges to get everyone pregnant... I cant stand it!!


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Re: Why have rapey characters?
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2017, 06:17:37 PM »
but if the other person gets violated and doesn't care, then I'm good.

This only happens in fiction. There's no such thing as light-hearted violation. People don't feel better about it later IRL. It gets worse. Just making sure we're on the same page on that and we're talking strictly fiction.

Personally, I don't like it even as a joke. I can get the joke, and I understand that it's wrong, but there are people in the world who don't make that connection, even "full-grown adults". You could say that having been sexually assaulted more than once has made me a prude, and I'd have to at least half-agree with you.
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Re: Why have rapey characters?
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2018, 11:51:42 AM »
thought I would add my thoughts, more on the comedy side of things than the heavy on rapey, which I'm not even sure I've seen.

I cringe very hard when this happens (physical contact or just saying embarrassing things) between teacher (almost always the nurse?) and student (most usually for comedy), as it's a serious abuse of position and can have lasting effects on still developing children. the amount of child protection stuff that gets discussed on teacher training days is huge.

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but if the other person gets violated and doesn't care, then I'm good.
I sort of agree with this, but on the other hand it's incredible unlikely/unrealistic that that would actually happen. As Mahlua says, it only happens in fiction, to the extent that the human personalities and reactions are also fiction. it's as if the people in anime have different emotions and reactions to people in real life. It's quite hard to suspend disbelief when the basic human morals/emotions are different.

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imagine if it was a guy doing that!
I have had that very thought from time to time. it's just as unacceptable whether male/female, but it's often portrayed as totally ok for female.

I think if it serves a purpose then it's alright as a legitimate story element, but otherwise it just feels like a cheap and unrealistic way to add ecchi shots and fan service. And most of the time, it actually is a crime that is punishable by law, so putting it forward as standard comedy is rather pushing it I think, it leans into black humor quite easily. It has to be played really well to actually be funny.
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Re: Why have rapey characters?
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2018, 08:39:50 PM »
I cringe very hard when this happens (physical contact or just saying embarrassing things) between teacher (almost always the nurse?) and student (most usually for comedy), as it's a serious abuse of position and can have lasting effects on still developing children. the amount of child protection stuff that gets discussed on teacher training days is huge.

Me too, fam. That's one thing I can't read or watch porn of. Ever. It's my anti-kink, or like, one of two (the other being the action of vomiting). I can't really even stomach professor/student in a college setting where both are legally consenting adults. The abuse of power is a line that blares blazing RED to me. Even if the consent issue is addressed, there's still that unbalanced power that overrides it and makes it a form of assault and manipulation by nature. And manipulation is abuse. And abuse is not sexy.
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